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| I love the idea that a plane crashing on London would lead to maybe a couple of dozen casualties on the ground. The debris would be spread over a very large area, causing hundreds or thousands of casualties.
There isn't much countryside in London.
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| I'd just let it hit the target and cause optimum damage and casualties, there would be cameras on hand to capture exactly what happened and create great footage to play repeatedly as part of a propaganda campaign to support a retaliatory strike against the Muslamics in Iran. I just hope that our friends and allies from across the Atlantic would stand shoulder to shoulder with us as we did with them over 9/11.
As for the leftists that will no doubt protest against the war all I can say is you are sick traitors.
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| this is none news, we had surface/ground to air assets deployed for the Commonwealth Games in Manchester, and also have had for other major public events.
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| Quote ="BackrowSaint"You don't know much about military and intelligence do you? The venue is surrounded by a no fly zone, as soon as that is breached then radio communications would attempt to be established, if there's no reply it would be considered a threat. It would then be too late for ANY fighter jets to intercept and 80,000 people would be dead.'"
So that's Heathrow, Stanstead and Gatwick locked down for the duration of the Olympics then?
I'd also suggest you look up the meaning of satire, if you're going to reference a link to newsthump
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| Aren't we holding any terror suspects?
Surely we could empty Guantanemo Bay and give them front row seats at all the arenas.
The human shield defence against jihadists.....we can't be held responsible if Great Leader Al-Talibani perishes in a suicide attack he didn't even order LOL.
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| If the Amercians are so sh[ii[/it scared, why don't they do what they did in 1980 and boycott the Olympics? Only this time they can cite their own invasion of Afghanistan, instead of the Russkies
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| Quote ="cod'ead"So that's Heathrow, Stanstead and Gatwick locked down for the duration of the Olympics then?'"
[url=http://olympics.airspacesafety.com/airspace-restrictions/restrictions-14-july-2012-to-15-august-2012 Sort of.[/url
Quote Restrictions 14 July 2012 to 15 August 2012
Prohibited Zone: Aircraft will not be allowed within the Prohibited Zone unless they have undergone crew, passengers and baggage screening in accordance with the relevant aviation security programme, and inbound to or outbound from Heathrow, London City RAF Northolt, Biggin Hill and under the control of those airports or NATS TC or Thames Radar. They must also meet all the requirements to enter the Restricted Zone.
The existing airfields at White Waltham, Denham, Fairoaks and London Heliport will be provided with exemptions to allow both IFR and VFR operations to and from the Restricted Zone. To comply with this exemption all aircraft will need to comply with the requirements to operate in the Restricted Zone. Details of these exemptions will be published in due course.
Pilots should note that the boundary of the Prohibited Zone has been amended since the restrictions were first proposed in March 2011.
Restricted Zone: Aircraft will be allowed to enter the Restricted Zone if they can comply with a set of requirements defined by aircraft type.
Airfields within three nautical miles of the outer edge of the Restricted Zone may apply for an exemption to operate and be exempt from the requirements of the Restricted Zone providing aircraft enter and leave the Restricted Zone via an agreed route. Airfield managers will be responsible for ensuring this takes place. If you wish to apply for such an exemption please fill in the online form. The CAA or DfT will then contact you with further information.'"
[url=http://olympics.airspacesafety.com/media/1675/london-2012-airspace_quickstart-guide-080811.pdf Knock yourself out.[/url (links to pdf)
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| If anyone's looking for cheap accommodation through the Olympics, just pick a host city. Weymouth hoteliers are reporting a downturn of 95% in bookings for 2012, compared to the same period 2011. Want a hotel in London? Take your pick, they're hardly bursting at the seams either.
I am aware of some of the contigencies in place for the sailing events at Portland & Weymouth: All private boats currently berthed (by contract) in Portland have to move, at their own expense, to another location. Boats that have been chartered for duty during the Olympics will have at least one armed member of the security forces on-board throughout. Those charter skippers that have jumped through the hoops to be retained, although they will be paid up to £2k per day, will be subject to a £10k perday penalty for non-availability. The Olympic Organisers have also commissioned a fleet of brand new RIBs (Rigid Inflatable Boats), so that they can zip around Weymouth bay at taxpayer's expense. No doubt the RIBs will be available on eBay afterwards.
There are also contingencies in place for a complete lock-down of the whole county of Dorset, if a threat is detected. This is not a proposed, targeted lock-down, it will be county-wide
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| Nothing to worry about because nothing is going to happen. How many times have we heard about " credible" intelligence saying something involving terrorism is going to happen? FA cup finals, royal weddings, just about every occassion in the last few years, where large crowds will be gathered. No doubt a few "al-qaeda" suspects will be arrested in the next few months, only to be later released without charge.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"
There are also contingencies in place for a complete lock-down of the whole county of Dorset, if a threat is detected. This is not a proposed, targeted lock-down, it will be county-wide'"
For some sailing dinghy's ?
Won't they notice at the start if one of the dinghy's has got an extra swarthy looking type on board trying to hide under the sails ?
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| Exploding horses in the dressage - thats the future.
Exploding horses in the dressage will take out 90% of the world royal families, all you need to do is feed a horse heaped spoonfuls of TNT for a few days before the event then slip a detonator into its haybag just before it goes into the arena, bingo, or maybe bang-go.
...or build yourself a real wooden horse, its been done before, and it worked.
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| It could be worse. The good lady newsreader on 6 music just reported that we are going to use Air to Ground missiles
It will be a bl00dy bloodbath
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| Watching the news this evening, my first reaction to the news that the FBI want to put their men on the ground was "Tell the yanks they can't come".
Fair or not?
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"For some sailing dinghy's ?
Won't they notice at the start if one of the dinghy's has got an extra swarthy looking type on board trying to hide under the sails ?'"
You underestimate the threat to the minor royals and celebrities who take an interest in sailing. Plus there'll be the corporates from Henri Lloyd, Musto, Gil, Gull etc, all on their Sunseeker gin-palaces, flocking to get a bird's-eye (maybe gannet's-eye) view of the excitement. I think the fact that most sailing events tend to take place in the bloody sea, miles away from land, has escaped many who got all caught up in the excitment. I reckon the biggest winners will be Bausch & Lomb and any other manufacturers of binoculars. I still reckon I've got the best view of all - a 50" Panasonic HD plasma about 8' from my sofa
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"Exploding horses in the dressage - thats the future.
Exploding horses in the dressage will take out 90% of the world royal families, all you need to do is feed a horse heaped spoonfuls of TNT for a few days before the event then slip a detonator into its haybag just before it goes into the arena, bingo, or maybe bang-go.
...or build yourself a real wooden horse, its been done before, and it worked.'"
Last year, I was prevented from delivering a RIB to the Royal Naval Yard at Pompey because I had my dog with me in the van. The security guard (note: not an proper copper, or an MP or even a stoker with a gun but a security guard employed by the same people contracted to safeguard the Olympics - G4S), told me it was because terrorists had been known to pack dogs with Semtex and then explode them remotely. The fact that I was hardly likely to blow up my best mate cut no ice with this fella. So I reversed out of the gate, drove to a local transport cafe and asked the woman behind the counter if I could leave him there for 20 minutes or so.
I drove back in, the guard checked that I didn't have a dog and waved me through. At no time did he check the RIB or the two pallets of spares I had in the back of the van. In fact after that incident, I used to stop a couple of hundred yards before the gate, tell the dog to get off the seat and into the footwell and then throw a blanket over him - no problem.
In some ways, I can understand the Yanks' concerns
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| I remember it being reported somewhere in the recent past that the US navy had offered assistance to protect the Olympics.
The Royal Navy where apparently none too amused. It would not however surprise me if we see a "friendly" visit from an American carrier just before the Olympics starts. On a goodwill mission of course, nothing to do with the yanks ensuring they have assets in the area, because they dont trust they limeys to play ball.
I have read elsewhere that the Anti aircraft defences are likely to provided by at least one of the new Type 45 Destroyers.
These have the capability to pretty much track anything over the UK and engage something like 8 aircraft at a time.
A type 45 parked in the Thames Estuary would be able to pretty much cover the whole of London.
Combine that with RAF fighters on standby and any air major air threat could be dealt with.
Personally think the biggest risk to security will be the thousands of foreign agents mulling round London under the guise of being there as security personnel to protect their nationals from untoward behaviour.
Just imagine 1000 CIA/FBI agents milling round London armed to the teeth, a 100 or so Mossad agents, 300 russian GRU/Spetsnatz, 100 German GSG9, etc, all of whom will need watching by mi5, special branch and the normal police.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"So that's Heathrow, Stanstead and Gatwick locked down for the duration of the Olympics then?
I'd also suggest you look up the meaning of satire, if you're going to reference a link to newsthump'"
It wasn't my link, In turn I'd suggest you read the posts properly.
And to some extent yes, they are 'locked down'. Not in the defcon 4 approach I'm sure you're imagining though, in terms of vastly increased security and limited or altered flight paths.
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| Quote ="The Chair Maker"
Just imagine 1000 CIA/FBI agents milling round London armed to the teeth, a 100 or so Mossad agents, 300 russian GRU/Spetsnatz, 100 German GSG9, etc, all of whom will need watching by mi5, special branch and the normal police.'"
If MI5, special branch and the normal police are watching them then who's going to be watching the Islamic terrorists or anarchists?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Last year, I was prevented from delivering a RIB to the Royal Naval Yard at Pompey because I had my dog with me in the van. The security guard (note: not an proper copper, or an MP or even a stoker with a gun but a security guard employed by the same people contracted to safeguard the Olympics - G4S), told me it was because terrorists had been known to pack dogs with Semtex and then explode them remotely. The fact that I was hardly likely to blow up my best mate cut no ice with this fella. So I reversed out of the gate, drove to a local transport cafe and asked the woman behind the counter if I could leave him there for 20 minutes or so.
I drove back in, the guard checked that I didn't have a dog and waved me through. At no time did he check the RIB or the two pallets of spares I had in the back of the van. In fact after that incident, I used to stop a couple of hundred yards before the gate, tell the dog to get off the seat and into the footwell and then throw a blanket over him - no problem.
In some ways, I can understand the Yanks' concerns'"
You see, thats where having a German Shepherd dog comes in useful, all you need to do is explain that he is your security back up, ever alert and highly trained with razor sharp senses and keen eyes, ears and nose for anything at all dodgy or terrorist related...
I'll rent you ours if you like ?
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"You see, thats where having a German Shepherd dog comes in useful, all you need to do is explain that he is your security back up, ever alert and highly trained with razor sharp senses and keen eyes, ears and nose for anything at all dodgy or terrorist related...
I'll rent you ours if you like ?'"
Take a look at most sniffer dogs mate, they're not unlike this one of mine:
And he's not afraid to put his hand up if needs be
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| I wonder what sort of weirdo came up with the idea of using a dog to sniff peoples s to see if they've shoved sachets of coke up there?
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I wonder what sort of weirdo came up with the idea of using a dog to sniff peoples s to see if they've shoved sachets of coke up there?'"
Well they're unlikely to find any humans to do it ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Well they're unlikely to find any humans to do it ?'"
Gareth Hock?
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