Lol.

Watch Russia today then.

Biden, the EU, Germany and France have been the leaders, setting policy, co-ordinating sanctions and directing the world's attention.

One of the biggest and most notable developments is the cohesion of the EU. As one of the twin guarantors of peace across Europe, alongside NATO, since World War 2, its original strengths are shining through with endangered countries looking to join and a strong, co-ordinated, response to both Russia's aggression and to the refugee crisis.

All of which has only served to make Britain look even weaker and less important. And, of course, a quick look at the people who were most anti-EU reveals they are and were also most often pro-Putin. How's Nigel Farrige getting on right now, still busy trying to execute that 360 degree turn away from Putin's embrace?

Given Putin has now shutdown all independent media, leaving journalists having to flee the country, has jailed the leader of the opposition for criticising him and is arresting people in their thousands for peaceful protest. It’s a fair bet that the state controlled Russia Today is propaganda.

Every reason he’s given to justify the invasion makes no sense. They’re already bordered by NATO countries and Ukraine haven’t even joined. They’re already bordered by EU countries. The supposed attacks on russain speakers in the Donbass region were so bad that people there have been on the streets blocking Russian conveys and telling their soldiers to go home.

There’s enough video evidence on social media of captured Russian soldiers who have no clue why they’re there as even they’ve been lied to.

Of course they are. Putin is everything they want in their leader. Authoritarian, hyper nationalist, anti environmentalist, and anti EU with draconian social policies.

I'd love to psychoanalyse the insecurities that drive people to admire someone like that. But let's not be unkind.

Hasn't Putin learnt anything?
He needs to jazz things up a little bit.
If he wants to gain any sort of legitimacy he needs to start throwing about a few slogans like, [i'The War on Terror'[/i, or 'WMD's'.
Easy innit.

The news here does have a slight bias against Russia but, the output from Russia is pure propaganda, quite increddible in this day and age

'NATO aggression' and 'NATO expansion' are the Russian equivalent of WMDs in Iraq. Both are nonsense.

This situation is a total and utter failure of Western leadership and Diplomacy
The arrogance and chest thumping of the west in totally dismissing Russia’s legitimate security concerns
There was no way President Putin would allow the second largest country in Europe to be stuffed full of American nukes and cruise missiles. Have you seen the length of the Ukraine border with Russia?

Sadly the Ukraine people are now understanding the internationally accepted American definitions of terms such as “collateral damage” and “enemy combatant” , derived to legitimise American and UK atrocities in the likes of Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
The ICC is an American joke.

Unlike the American and UK imperialistic Illegal invasion of Iraq WMD lies , Russia has found WMD’s nukes in Ukraine.

And I don’t see the Donald Rumsfeld levels of Shock and Awe inflicted on the civilian population of Baghdad?, nor any sightings of the “Mother of all Bombs” dropped with impunity on the brown skinned populations of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan



This is creeping to a nuclear WW3

If only Putin had his own hotline to God like Dubya and Phoney Tony then everything would be hunky-dory.

France and Germany sieze super yachts owned by Russian oligarchs and are seizing their other goods . In Britain meanwhile we are telling Russian oligarchs we are going to sanction tem in a few weeks. Meanwhile they are selling their assets off in Britain. Why is Britain acting so slowly ? https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/how-russian- ... in-the-uk/ https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has- ... by-russia/ Work it out for yourself then someone can explain it to Chissit

France and Germany sieze super yachts owned by Russian oligarchs and are seizing their other goods . In Britain meanwhile we are telling Russian oligarchs we are going to sanction tem in a few weeks. Meanwhile they are selling their assets off in Britain. Why is Britain acting so slowly ? https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/how-russian- ... in-the-uk/ https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has- ... by-russia/ Work it out for yourself then someone can explain it to Chissit

The point I'm trying to make is if a large percentage of russians aren't aware that they're being fed propaganda, why would we be any more aware if the same was happening to us?

What an utterly pathetic post.

Care to elucidate?

Because we have a free press and access to news from around the world. In Russia you can only get the news provided by the government unless you can get access to the internet. Putin has blocked a lot of it though.

They’ve literally closed down every independent paper, radio and tv station. Then today the Russian duma (government) have passed a law making it an offence to criticise the Russian military or operations involving them. Punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

I've stated this on other threads. Responses need to be about the post NOT the person posting.

Don't be surprised if posts which don't comply are removed.
(One has been already).

After watching that crap Putin came out with today it’s clear he’s going to take over the whole of Ukraine. Every reason he’s come up with is total garbage.

It’ll get worse before it gets better but I’m sure this is the undoing of Putin. The Ukrainians aren’t going to lie down they’ll keep fighting and the Russians will have to spend resources and blood to control it. That coupled with the sanctions I can’t see it being long before the oligarchs and military get sick of Putin and Medvedev and eliminate them.

One country has invaded another and is bombing civilians and besieging cities.
Anyone who puts the blame for that on anyone other than the person or people doing the invading or launching the missiles or surrounding those cities is deceiving themselves or seeking to deceive others.

Russia have no legitimate security concerns.
Ukraine gave up their nukes along with Kazakhstan and Belarus in the 1990s after they signed the Budapest memorandum along with the US, UK, and Russia, in return for the other nations respecting their borders... guess which country broke the agreement.
The Eastern European countries that joined NATO chose to do so themselves, and were free to do so in line with the Helsinki accord, which the SU also signed in the 70s. There was never any agreement made with Russia that guaranteed NATO wouldn't expand. Those countries joined NATO peacefully. What did Russia do when Hungary wanted out of the Warsaw pact?

What is it with far left tankies who bend over backwards to criticise western (primarily US and UK) imperialism, but then make all the excuses in the world for the atrocities of fascist dictators like Putin, Asaad,, and commie dictators like Ping, Chavez, and Castro?

Have you ever read news about thailand for example.


It is run by a corrupt autocratic king supported by a corrupt dictatorship who subvert oppress and murder the civilians in turkey shoots on the streets, with democracy supporters and activists being murdered.
Where is the western outrage?,
The last three democratically elected governments have all been overthrown by the army in deadly military coups. The west turns a blind eye over the last 20 years, and cossetts the illegal Thai dictator to joint naval exercises..

Biden and Lyin Boris say there is no place for dictators referencing Putin, but are fawning all over the general pinochet type General Prayuth.

Total and utter western hypocrisy

For you to form that opinion you’ve obviously got access to news and opinion on it.

You’re also able to post that without it being illegal.

That is an avid description of the illegal US and UK invasion of Iraq


So who is deceiving who here?

The settled Western view, which is realistically the only pragmatic one, is that dictators will have to be tolerated in their home countries because it will be up for the people in those countries to overthrow them. But if they invade another country then all bets are off.

Unless your alternative is for the US and UK to move against those dictators, invade those countries and overthrow those governments? I guess you were a big supporter of the Iraq war?

Whatabouting the invasion of Ukraine really is the most moronic thing I've seen today, and I've just watched Wakefield's first half efforts. It really isn't hard to say the invasion of Iraq was bad and the invasion of Ukraine is just as bad - unless you're acting in the ultimate bad faith.

It would be illegal and punishable by death to post that in Thailand, but who cares, not Sleepy Joe, or Lyin Boris, they are filling their boots out of the Thai people’s oppression and suffering, but it’s not splashed across western media 24/7 cos nobody cares, all hypocrites

The best part is that the dictator Thai king is allowed to reside in Germany of all places,you couldn’t make it up.