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| Quote ="Fuzzy-Duck"Sky sports have been increasingly using sports TV platforms to amplify social and political crusades, on Friday Jon Wells took this further and issued a rallying call to Rugby League Clubs and players to engage politically and use their platform to promote political views.
For some people Sport is a welcome distraction from the constant news on tv radio, social media, where the world argues constantly about Leave v Remain, Lockdown v no lockdown, capitalism v socialism, pandemic v scamdemic etc.
Should Sky be using RL to champion their politics?'"
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| Sky are obsessed with BLM.......to the tune of £30M.
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| Black Lives Matter have now changed their name to Black Liberation Movement in the UK.
That to me sounds much more political.
In recent weeks both Sajid Magic and Pritti Patel have voiced their concerns over BLM. Remember that the stated aim of BLM is to destabilise capitalism and refund the police. Quite ironic when every major sport relies on money derived through capitalism and the policing of games. Maybe Jon Wells needs to read up a bit more on these things.
Let's keep politics out of sport as much as possible rather than encouraging it. We need to be united not divided.
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| Quote ="Fuzzy-Duck"Sky sports have been increasingly using sports TV platforms to amplify social and political crusades, on Friday Jon Wells took this further and issued a rallying call to Rugby League Clubs and players to engage politically and use their platform to promote political views.
For some people Sport is a welcome distraction from the constant news on tv radio, social media, where the world argues constantly about Leave v Remain, Lockdown v no lockdown, capitalism v socialism, pandemic v scamdemic etc.
Should Sky be using RL to champion their politics?'"
Do you include all politicising in RL, sky sports, or is it just a particular issue that is offending you?
I take it in around 3 weeks time will you be starting a similar post regarding armistice day and RL traditionally promoting/respecting this and how it's amplifying a political cause. Or if this year they choose to not do anything will you fly off into "poppy rage"
"Our game" has a long proud history of racial integration, racial firsts, and a Long proud history of Black players who have lit up "our game" Black history month in the U.K. As been going for 27 years, and this is the first year I remember when the RFL super league and sky sports have done anything this significant. Its long over due that it has taken us 27 years to truly celebrate our great Black players.
It's not an agenda it's a celebration, nor is respecting showing solidarity to BLM and a firm commitment to stamping out racial injustice an agenda.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Do you include all politicising in RL, sky sports, or is it just a particular issue that is offending you?
I take it in around 3 weeks time will you be starting a similar post regarding armistice day and RL traditionally promoting/respecting this and how it's amplifying a political cause. Or if this year they choose to not do anything will you fly off into "poppy rage"
"Our game" has a long proud history of racial integration, racial firsts, and a Long proud history of Black players who have lit up "our game" Black history month in the U.K. As been going for 27 years, and this is the first year I remember when the RFL super league and sky sports have done anything this significant. Its long over due that it has taken us 27 years to truly celebrate our great Black players.
It's not an agenda it's a celebration, nor is respecting showing solidarity to BLM and a firm commitment to stamping out racial injustice an agenda.'"
Coalescing Armistice Day with BLM is wrong and pretty distasteful.
A female MP ,with a family name I pronounce as Bad Enoch,but which of course,is spelled Badenoch and pronounced differently is the Conservative Party Equalities Minister.Her pronounce ents on BLM are,in my opinion,and probably others with melanin in their bodies,quite correct.
This nonsense about poppies was given publicity by professional footballer McLean,an Irishman,and followers of Celtic,up in Scotland.
I don't think immigrants of colour who have been in Ireland or Scotland think much of their ability on inter-racial harmony.
People should opt out of Sky Television.
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| Quote ="Ornery Optimist"Coalescing Armistice Day with BLM is wrong and pretty distasteful.
A female MP ,with a family name I pronounce as Bad Enoch,but which of course,is spelled Badenoch and pronounced differently is the Conservative Party Equalities Minister.Her pronounce ents on BLM are,in my opinion,and probably others with melanin in their bodies,quite correct.
This nonsense about poppies was given publicity by professional footballer McLean,an Irishman,and followers of Celtic,up in Scotland.
I don't think immigrants of colour who have been in Ireland or Scotland think much of their ability on inter-racial harmony.
People should opt out of Sky Television.'"
Why is it distasteful, it's a simple enough question, does the poster want all politicising removed or just the things he or people like him does not agree with. We can celebrate all worthwhile causes/movements or none. Not just keep what we agree with, which is is?
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Why is it distasteful, it's a simple enough question, does the poster want all politicising removed or just the things he or people like him does not agree with. We can celebrate all worthwhile causes/movements or none. Not just keep what we agree with, which is is?'"
I have had the same argument on twitter with people. They shout for politics to be kept out of rugby league but when you challenge them about Rugby League promoting the British armed forces they then claim the poppy and armed forces day are not political. You couldn't make it up!
To be honest I love seeing these people moan about BLM every week and how they are never watching sky again etc etc. It's funny seeing them go into meltdown
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| Rugby League exists because of "politics", inequality and discrimination were the reason some of our most famous players made their way into our sport. We can't escape politics when watching Rugby League because it is woven into the heart of the sport.
There are reasons why those in power want to spread misinformation about movements to remove inequality, they are similar to the reasons the RFU wanted to prevent broken time payments 125 years ago. Divide and conquer, and keep your foot on the neck of those you have power over.
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| Nithing like a bit of RLFans delusion on a sunny Sunday afternoon...
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| To support the armed forces & poppies is no different to having advertising hoardings around the grounds ,no more than to advertise products & services.
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| When you buy a poppy,when you show respect for the fallen you are part of community who are eternally greatfull off the sacrifice these people made.
What people dont realise or ignore is that black people died for the country and have the same respect as their white,ghurkas comrades etc that gave up their lives aswell.
You cannot compare a Political fascists movement who want to disband the police and want to blame white people for everything that is wrong with their lives.
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| Quote ="Jason65"
You cannot compare a Political fascists movement who want to disband the police and want to blame white people for everything that is wrong with their lives.'" It's good that you've taken the time to learn absolutely nothing about what the people are actually protesting for and instead appear to have taken some right wing talking points off Facebook or the Daily Mail.
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| i dont read the daily mail or am on face book so dont patronise me ,you dont know anything about me.
i treat everyone equal maybe you should as you are putting a movement above all else.
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| Quote ="Jason65"When you buy a poppy,when you show respect for the fallen you are part of community who are eternally greatfull off the sacrifice these people made.
What people dont realise or ignore is that black people died for the country and have the same respect as their white,ghurkas comrades etc that gave up their lives aswell.
You cannot compare a Political fascists movement who want to disband the police and want to blame white people for everything that is wrong with their lives.'"
Do they balls want to disband the police they want to put less money into policing and more into services that might stop people getting involved in crime in the first place (e.g mental health, youth centres etc).
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| Quote ="Jason65"When you buy a poppy,when you show respect for the fallen you are part of community who are eternally greatfull off the sacrifice these people made.
What people dont realise or ignore is that black people died for the country and have the same respect as their white,ghurkas comrades etc that gave up their lives aswell.
You cannot compare a Political fascists movement who want to disband the police and want to blame white people for everything that is wrong with their lives.'"
A percentage of money made from poppy sales goes directly into funding the British Armed forces.
No matter how you try and dress it up, the poppy is a political symbol!
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| On the website defund the police is mentioned.We need more police not less.
Do not need to dress it up just stating what I believe and will wear my poppy with pride whilst you can take the knee with your pride.
I feel that if someone has a different opinion you will try to bully them into submission like the blm have done to a few .It wont work with me .
No I am not a racist or far right as you like to label folk with a different view.
I will always look at a different point of view might not agree or I might agree but i will have my own thoughts on the subject.
Name one thing a black person cannot do in this country that a white person can,not feelings just facts please.
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| Quote ="Jason65"On the website defund the police is mentioned.We need more police not less.
Do not need to dress it up just stating what I believe and will wear my poppy with pride whilst you can take the knee with your pride.
I feel that if someone has a different opinion you will try to bully them into submission like the blm have done to a few .It wont work with me .
No I am not a racist or far right as you like to label folk with a different view.
I will always look at a different point of view might not agree or I might agree but i will have my own thoughts on the subject.
Name one thing a black person cannot do in this country that a white person can,not feelings just facts please.'"
Defund the police not disband the police. It means spend less on police and more on other services that might reduce the amount of people becoming criminals in the first place. They don't want to disband the police.
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| Fantastic Idea take money from the police and give it to departments that can stop criminal activities and while we wait for the criminals to stop what they do best the country is brought to its knees
Because these criminals can get help and not punished and thus do the activities again and again.
Like I have said police need more help because they see the worst of the human race and they are the first you shout when you need help.
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| Quote ="Jason65"Fantastic Idea take money from the police and give it to departments that can stop criminal activities and while we wait for the criminals to stop what they do best the country is brought to its knees
Because these criminals can get help and not punished and thus do the activities again and again.
Like I have said police need more help because they see the worst of the human race and they are the first you shout when you need help.'"
Have you ever actually spoken to someone in the police? Or done any research?
They spent a hell of a lot of their time responding to mental illness and addiction related emergencies, that could otherwise be spent on actual crime prevention.
£162m - nearly 20% - was cut from alcohol and drug treatment budget (i.e. rehab) from 2014 to 2018.
Do you honestly think the right thing to do is cut those kind of budgets and put it into policing?
That is what is meant by 'defund the police' - don't take everything so literally.
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| WTF,I never said give the money from mental health issues to the police all I have said the police need more money not less, as they deal with a lot more than you or I know.
Yes a friend of mine was a police woman but after holding a young man who was a stab victim had died in her arms had to retire for mental health reasons due to stress over that instance and more.
So in essence the police need to be looked after as much as others.
Mental health issues need more help,drug addiction issues need help,child exploitation issues needs help, more money and resources to these and more is what is required not taking money from the police it would result in less police to do their job. Increase tax by a penny in the pound if needs.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Do you include all politicising in RL, sky sports, or is it just a particular issue that is offending you?
I take it in around 3 weeks time will you be starting a similar post regarding armistice day and RL traditionally promoting/respecting this and how it's amplifying a political cause. Or if this year they choose to not do anything will you fly off into "poppy rage"
"Our game" has a long proud history of racial integration, racial firsts, and a Long proud history of Black players who have lit up "our game" Black history month in the U.K. As been going for 27 years, and this is the first year I remember when the RFL super league and sky sports have done anything this significant. Its long over due that it has taken us 27 years to truly celebrate our great Black players.
It's not an agenda it's a celebration, nor is respecting showing solidarity to BLM and a firm commitment to stamping out racial injustice an agenda.'"
And many black players had a bloody rough time of it, having to prove themselves far more than others, this has been heard from players up and down dale. It wasn't because RL was particularly diverse or inclusive, it was because of a need to make money and be successful. that meant if you were good enough it didn't matter, that didn't mean that black players had equity but someone who could improve the number through the gates and helped you win matches was business savvy, nothing to do with diversity and racial integration as you call it.
As for poppy/armistice, it should NEVER be a part of sport, just like the sickening minutes silence for some person/people who die in a tragedy that absolutely nothing to do with rugby league, done because not to do so makes you look like you don't care/are callous/not PC.
That general public are pretty much crow barred into poppy mania and any other charity supporting or political movement is indicative of how things have hit rock bottom. I find it sickening that it's general public putting their money in to support armed forces personnel and their families when they need support for a whole host of things, I find it sickening that again general public are asked/guilt tripped to support child charities, cancer charities etc, all these things should be funded by government from taxation.
Given the amount of tax dodged by big corps and money spaffed away on all sorts of crud like rebuilding Westminster for one, handing out fat contracts to mates for faulty face masks, hundreds of millions on 'consultancy' fees (£420M just for Brexit alone) there should be plenty of money to support everyone, plenty to help develop medicines.
Do I buy a poppy, no, not now, it's needless pollution, I think we should have a virtual poppy on our phones or at least have one that is fully recyclable/biodegradable, I wore a poppy made from old cotton garments a few years back made at the old village school that doubles as a museum. I do support
But I object to the way armistice and the poppy image brought into sport as well as any other political stuff like BLM.
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"And many black players had a bloody rough time of it, having to prove themselves far more than others, this has been heard from players up and down dale. It wasn't because RL was particularly diverse or inclusive, it was because of a need to make money and be successful. that meant if you were good enough it didn't matter, that didn't mean that black players had equity but someone who could improve the number through the gates and helped you win matches was business savvy, nothing to do with diversity and racial integration as you call it.
As for poppy/armistice, it should NEVER be a part of sport, just like the sickening minutes silence for some person/people who die in a tragedy that absolutely nothing to do with rugby league, done because not to do so makes you look like you don't care/are callous/not PC.
That general public are pretty much crow barred into poppy mania and any other charity supporting or political movement is indicative of how things have hit rock bottom. I find it sickening that it's general public putting their money in to support armed forces personnel and their families when they need support for a whole host of things, I find it sickening that again general public are asked/guilt tripped to support child charities, cancer charities etc, all these things should be funded by government from taxation.
Given the amount of tax dodged by big corps and money spaffed away on all sorts of crud like rebuilding Westminster for one, handing out fat contracts to mates for faulty face masks, hundreds of millions on 'consultancy' fees (£420M just for Brexit alone) there should be plenty of money to support everyone, plenty to help develop medicines.
Do I buy a poppy, no, not now, it's needless pollution, I think we should have a virtual poppy on our phones or at least have one that is fully recyclable/biodegradable, I wore a poppy made from old cotton garments a few years back made at the old village school that doubles as a museum. I do support
But I object to the way armistice and the poppy image brought into sport as well as any other political stuff like BLM.'"
You object to everything Bumpy, maybe time you had another few months off the internet.
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| Can we remove politics from this sports forum in addition to removing it from Sky Sports please
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| Quote ="WestEndThinker"You object to everything Bumpy, maybe time you had another few months off the internet.'"
Stay on topic instead of making personal comments, I support the legion and many other organisations, I object to political stuff thrown into sport, it's not necessary, there are plenty of opportunities to make your voice heard personally away fom sporting occasions.
I object to how governments waste money instead of putting OUR money into the things that are needed, why dn't you object to that, particularly now when almost a trillion pounds has been wasted and tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands more people are going to die as a consequence of government over-reaaction, handing out contracts without due process and much more, you don't object to that? .
So you accept everything in life and have no objections to anything, why do you think political stuff is acceptable in sport and forcing people both fans/players to bow to pressure to participate and be a part of these things?
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| Quote ="RagingBull"Can we remove politics from this sports forum in addition to removing it from Sky Sports please'"
It's the sin bin. We've had people arguing the Earth was flat and the moon is a big dinner plate and that Sky doesn't use satellites they use big antennae. Visit at your peril.
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