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There are 2 ways of approaching this issue:
1. Embrace tradition and uphold current succession policy.
2. Reject tradition, do away with the monarchy and become a republic.
I just hate the way 21st Century liberal egalitarianism is afflicting our time-honoured traditions. Don't keep chipping away at tradition, either keep it or bin it. I say keep it.
Moreover, what does this change add to our culture? And why are people concerned specifically with the gender of a future heir? Where's the legislation permitting Muslim, Hindu or dare I say it Catholic monarchs? Equal opportunities and all that.
At least Nick Clegg is happy 
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There are 2 ways of approaching this issue:
1. Embrace tradition and uphold current succession policy.
2. Reject tradition, do away with the monarchy and become a republic.
I just hate the way 21st Century liberal egalitarianism is afflicting our time-honoured traditions. Don't keep chipping away at tradition, either keep it or bin it. I say keep it.
Moreover, what does this change add to our culture? And why are people concerned specifically with the gender of a future heir? Where's the legislation permitting Muslim, Hindu or dare I say it Catholic monarchs? Equal opportunities and all that.
At least Nick Clegg is happy
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Or a much better 3rd choice - steadily update the tradition so that you have some of the better/more beneficial elements of both worlds.
You know, like churches performing gay marriages.
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| Quote ="Him"Or a much better 3rd choice - steadily update the tradition so that you have some of the better/more beneficial elements of both worlds.'"
Update and tradition are not two words that go well together. Like I have said, where will it end? If the Prince's son converts to Islam to marry a pretty Iranian girl he meets at Bristol Uni, should their child be heir to our throne?
Quote You know, like churches performing gay marriages.'"
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Update and tradition are not two words that go well together. Like I have said, where will it end? If the Prince's son converts to Islam to marry a pretty Iranian girl he meets at Bristol Uni, should their child be heir to our throne?'"
Really? I see tradition and modernity working hand in hand every day of the week, it's pretty much a hallmark of this nation.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Update and tradition are not two words that go well together. Like I have said, where will it end? If the Prince's son converts to Islam to marry a pretty Iranian girl he meets at Bristol Uni, should their child be heir to our throne?
No fish in this pond.
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If were really lucky we'll end up with a monarch who doesn't get religion forced down his/her throat and can make his/her own decisions.
Imagine that.
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If were really lucky we'll end up with a monarch who doesn't get religion forced down his/her throat and can make his/her own decisions.
Imagine that.
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There are 2 ways of approaching this issue:
1. Embrace tradition and uphold current succession policy.
2. Reject tradition, do away with the monarchy and become a republic.
I just hate the way 21st Century liberal egalitarianism is afflicting our time-honoured traditions. Don't keep chipping away at tradition, either keep it or bin it. I say keep it.
Moreover, what does this change add to our culture? And why are people concerned specifically with the gender of a future heir? Where's the legislation permitting Muslim, Hindu or dare I say it Catholic monarchs? Equal opportunities and all that.
At least Nick Clegg is happy
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Option 3 - throw away intolerance and embrace the fact that a female monarch hasn't done all that badly in the past 60 years, nor did the female monarch before her.
I realise that its the intolerance thats the sticking bit for you, but try really hard to look at the evidence and you'll see it works. |
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"Option 3 - throw away intolerance and embrace the fact that a female monarch hasn't done all that badly in the past 60 years, nor did the female monarch before her.
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Just keep them away from any Prime Ministerial duties. |
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Just keep them away from any Prime Ministerial duties.'"
Well of course, but they are useful for doing the washing up after the weekly PM's meeting, a King would never do that. |
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There are 2 ways of approaching this issue:
1. Embrace tradition and uphold current succession policy.
2. Reject tradition, do away with the monarchy and become a republic.
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Well clearly there are more choices than those two since neither of those has been adopted.
Simples ...
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I think Kirkstaller is right (For once).
I vote option two. Thanks for your support Kirky.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller" ... 21st Century liberal egalitarianism is afflicting our time-honoured traditions...'"
Just what is tradition?
It's a nice comfy way of assuring ourselves that things don't change.
If there's a good reason for the continuance of something, fair enough, that reason is the reason, not because it's "traditional".
Traditions that are merely "the way we've always done it" such as "traditional" turkey at Christmas or "something borrowed, something blue" at a wedding are harmless enough but [itradition for its own sake without other good solid reasons [/iis no way to run a country. |
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"... Traditions that are merely "the way we've always done it" such as "traditional" turkey at Christmas ...'"
Which comment makes the point nicely that many 'traditions' are hardly 'original', but themselves replaced something else.
Sort of like Yahweh usurping the traditional northern gods and Christians nicking Saturnalia and so on. |
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It's traditional to discriminate against women.
We need to keep our traditions!
Ask any man ... well some men ... alright a few men ... alright brainwashed neanderthal men ....
It doesn't matter the point remains.
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If the child is female then she should be in line for the throne even if any born after are male.
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Ditching primogeniture but keeping the monarchy is like painting a crumbling wall in a nice modern colour.
It gives royal women a shot at the top job but changes absolutely nothing for the other 46 million of us who are supposedly the electorate but who are denied a democratic choice.
Yeah, how very up to date that is.
Whoop-de-doo.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Ditching primogeniture but keeping the monarchy is like painting a crumbling wall in a nice modern colour.
It gives royal women a shot at the top job but changes absolutely nothing for the other 46 million of us who are supposedly the electorate but who are denied a democratic choice.
Yeah, how very up to date that is.
Whoop-de-doo.'"
What does the monarchy have to do with democracy? Last time I checked, Li didn't make any decisions (other what colour hat to wear etc.?) |
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| Quote ="Standee"What does the monarchy have to do with democracy? Last time I checked, Li didn't make any decisions (other what colour hat to wear etc.?)'"
Doesn't the monarch still have some power via the Privy Council? |
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| Quote ="Mintball"Doesn't the monarch still have some power via the Privy Council?'"
If so, it will be incredibly limited and extremely unlikely to be used.
I seem to remember we have a tradition of burning witches and selling "coloured" people into slavery, maybe kirkstller thinks changing that wasn't a good idea either? |
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| Quote ="Mintball"Doesn't the monarch still have some power via the Privy Council?'"
I thought the Privy Council was effectively controlled by the Cabinet, but I could be wrong. |
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| More than just the privy council. It seems they reserve the right to be [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/31/secret-royal-veto-powers-exposed?INTCMP=SRCHconsulted over new laws[/url to make sure they don't have to suffer like the plebs do.
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Every bill that passes throuh Parliament (the Commons and the Lords), then gets passed to the monarch for his or her royal assent before it is formally encated into law.
This is part of our unwritten constitution and in practice the monarch would not refuse royal assent becaue the bill had passed through the democratically elected chambers and the theory is that if royal assent were every refused there would be a huge constitutional crisis, uprisings etc and probably the end of the monarchy. Hence why royal assent would not be refused. The last time was 1707.
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has anyone said "political correctness gone mad" yet?
btw, I'm sure I read when I was doing a political science degree way back when that what is required to declare a state of emergency, impose martial law, suspend habeus corpus, dissolve or suspend parliament(s) and the rest of our unwritten 'constitution' is the signature of the monarch, backed by three privy councillors. The PC includes all current cabinet members, all previous cabinet members, ever, who are still alive plus a few odds and sods who've never been in a cabinet. I could be wrong though.
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It gives royal women a shot at the top job but changes absolutely nothing for the other 46 million of us who are supposedly the electorate but who are denied a democratic choice.
Yeah, how very up to date that is.
Whoop-de-doo.'"
We have got the monarchy just were we want them.
Puppets ... lavishly paid puppets granted ... but puppets nevertheless.
It must be terrible living in that goldfish bowl opulence.
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