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So, another one enters the race to be president, and this time it's Sarkozy's old mucker Dominique de Villepin:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16133598
DdV has no chance of winning, but I suspect that a combination of him, Sarkozy's low popularity, a strong showing by the Front National, another tilt by Bayrou, and a poor showing for the Communists/PdG and Trots (who have suffered a split, which has gone to the PCF/PdG grouping) means that Francois Hollande is nailed on for one run-off place, and Marine Le Pen might edge out Sarko for the other. Meaning a Hollande win.
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So, another one enters the race to be president, and this time it's Sarkozy's old mucker Dominique de Villepin:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16133598
DdV has no chance of winning, but I suspect that a combination of him, Sarkozy's low popularity, a strong showing by the Front National, another tilt by Bayrou, and a poor showing for the Communists/PdG and Trots (who have suffered a split, which has gone to the PCF/PdG grouping) means that Francois Hollande is nailed on for one run-off place, and Marine Le Pen might edge out Sarko for the other. Meaning a Hollande win.
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| The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.'"
The very same, indeed. And significantly more electable than her father, I suspect.
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| Quote ="Urmston Wire"Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.'"
The very same, indeed. And significantly more electable than her father, I suspect.'"
much more credible in the eyes of the french electorate with a broader spectrum of policies unlike her father who was seen as exclusivley playing the immigration card
she is gaining a lot of respect but Hollande is to be the red hot favourite for the presidency - a lot depends on how Sarko handles the euro zone crisis as Hollande is considered a bit of a parochial country-boy politician who would find it difficult in the hot seat when the big decisions have to be made - me, I will be voting for Marine if only to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France as it seems to be doing in the UK.
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| I'm voting for Popeye Doyle.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"I'm voting for Popeye Doyle.'"
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| Quote ="sanjunien"Quote ="Urmston Wire"Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.'"
The very same, indeed. And significantly more electable than her father, I suspect.'"
much more credible in the eyes of the french electorate with a broader spectrum of policies unlike her father who was seen as exclusivley playing the immigration card
she is gaining a lot of respect but Hollande is to be the red hot favourite for the presidency - a lot depends on how Sarko handles the euro zone crisis as Hollande is considered a bit of a parochial country-boy politician who would find it difficult in the hot seat when the big decisions have to be made - me, I will be voting for Marine if only to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France as it seems to be doing in the UK.'"
… says an immigrant
incidentally, immigration from the east isn't what's making finding a job difficult for job seekers in the UK, that would be the austerity measures and cuts of a right wing govt wedded to 30 year old economic orthodoxy which never fitted the real world anyway, destroying actual jobs.
Much, I suspect, as is the case in France. And as is embedded in the heart of the Sarkozy-Merkel plan. Which is why Hollande has denounced it.
But hey, if immigrants from the east are an easier scapegoat …
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| It's interesting that unemployment in the UK is now at its highest since 1996 (the end of the last 17 year Tory government).
Seeing as a lot of people blame immigration for unemployment and unemployment was higher through the 1980s and 1990s and lower during the Labour government then why do the Tories have an open door policy on immigration surely Labour's policy on immigration was better for jobs?
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| Quote ="sanjunien"Quote ="Urmston Wire"Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.'"
The very same, indeed. And significantly more electable than her father, I suspect.'"
much more credible in the eyes of the french electorate with a broader spectrum of policies unlike her father who was seen as exclusivley playing the immigration card
she is gaining a lot of respect but Hollande is to be the red hot favourite for the presidency - a lot depends on how Sarko handles the euro zone crisis as Hollande is considered a bit of a parochial country-boy politician who would find it difficult in the hot seat when the big decisions have to be made - me, I will be voting for Marine if only to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France as it seems to be doing in the UK.'"
I personally would vote for Villepin if I were living there, but that's because I'm an old-fashioned Gaullist. Sarkozy has has achieved nothing, NF isn't for me, the PS...well, at least they didn't pick a headcase or Royal, and the Trots no chance.
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| Quote ="tb"Quote ="sanjunien"Quote ="Urmston Wire"Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.'"
The very same, indeed. And significantly more electable than her father, I suspect.'"
much more credible in the eyes of the french electorate with a broader spectrum of policies unlike her father who was seen as exclusivley playing the immigration card
she is gaining a lot of respect but Hollande is to be the red hot favourite for the presidency - a lot depends on how Sarko handles the euro zone crisis as Hollande is considered a bit of a parochial country-boy politician who would find it difficult in the hot seat when the big decisions have to be made - me, I will be voting for Marine if only to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France as it seems to be doing in the UK.'"
… says an immigrant
incidentally, immigration from the east isn't what's making finding a job difficult for job seekers in the UK, that would be the austerity measures and cuts of a right wing govt wedded to 30 year old economic orthodoxy which never fitted the real world anyway, destroying actual jobs.
Much, I suspect, as is the case in France. And as is embedded in the heart of the Sarkozy-Merkel plan. Which is why Hollande has denounced it.
But hey, if immigrants from the east are an easier scapegoat …'"
France has also had the intriguing spectacle of a prime minister who rejected Gaullism, and neoliberalism (as instituted by her own party in the preceding 5 years after the Mauroy experiment), and combined this with blaming it all on foreigners!
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| Quote ="tb"Quote ="sanjunien"Quote ="Urmston Wire"Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The daughter of Jean-Marie Le Pen no less.'"
The very same, indeed. And significantly more electable than her father, I suspect.'"
much more credible in the eyes of the french electorate with a broader spectrum of policies unlike her father who was seen as exclusivley playing the immigration card
she is gaining a lot of respect but Hollande is to be the red hot favourite for the presidency - a lot depends on how Sarko handles the euro zone crisis as Hollande is considered a bit of a parochial country-boy politician who would find it difficult in the hot seat when the big decisions have to be made - me, I will be voting for Marine if only to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France as it seems to be doing in the UK.'"
… says an immigrant
incidentally, immigration from the east isn't what's making finding a job difficult for job seekers in the UK, that would be the austerity measures and cuts of a right wing govt wedded to 30 year old economic orthodoxy which never fitted the real world anyway, destroying actual jobs.
Much, I suspect, as is the case in France. And as is embedded in the heart of the Sarkozy-Merkel plan. Which is why Hollande has denounced it.
But hey, if immigrants from the east are an easier scapegoat …'"
i'm a french citizen (passport & Carte d'Identité details on request) and as a french taxpayer I am quite entitled to my opinion
the various treaties,Schengen etc have damaged countries like France and Germany and amending the immigration laws so that if people want to work then great but for those who come here to take advantage of the excellent health service etc and only come to sponge off taxpayers like myself should be controlled.
Hollande is considered a country bumpkin but so was Mitterand and he transformed the french way of life,bringing ythem out of the dark ages and building the present infrastructure.
Saying that,I would still vote for Marine - just to make my personal statement.
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| Doesn't make any difference. It's only the French, and we'll be out of Europe anyway soon
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| Quote ="ROBINSON"Doesn't make any difference. It's only the French, and we'll be out of Europe anyway soon
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Where are we going, Australia?
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| Quote ="ROBINSON"Doesn't make any difference. It's only the French, and we'll be out of Europe anyway soon
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that would be great news for France - the sooner the better then we can get rid of the tens of thousands of GB spongers curently bleeding the french system dry...
please,please Mr Cameron do the right thing and call for a vote on EU membership....
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| Quote ="sanjunien"Quote ="ROBINSON"Doesn't make any difference. It's only the French, and we'll be out of Europe anyway soon
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that would be great news for France - the sooner the better then we can get rid of the tens of thousands of GB spongers curently bleeding the french system dry...
please,please Mr Cameron do the right thing and call for a vote on EU membership....
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According to your fellow French citizens it is not really the GB spongers bleeding the french system dry.
[urlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/02/french-willing-fit-racist-cliche[/url
I am not entittled to receive anything from the French governement but I have paid my tax d'habitation and fonciere for the last 6 years and back in the '90s I paid tax as part of my employment.
If it wasn't for the influx of English you wouldn't be able to take advantage of the fish and chip vans that visit the little towns and villages!
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Quote ="ROBINSON"Doesn't make any difference. It's only the French, and we'll be out of Europe anyway soon
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Where are we going, Australia?'"
Great idea. Off you go.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"
i'm a french citizen (passport & Carte d'Identité details on request) and as a french taxpayer I am quite entitled to my opinion
the various treaties,Schengen etc have damaged countries like France and Germany and amending the immigration laws so that if people want to work then great but for those who come here to take advantage of the excellent health service etc and only come to sponge off taxpayers like myself should be controlled.
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So how many of these Eastern European immigrants are coming to France to sponge off taxpayers?
I thought they were coming to work but according to you that's OK.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France'"
Quote ="sanjunien" if people want to work then great '"
Quote ="sanjunien"I am quite entitled to my opinion'"
You are. You are also entitled to contradict yourself as much as you want.
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| Don't the immigrants just pass through France rather than 'steal' jobs, set up camp in Calais and then board the trucks, boats and trains for the gold paved [delbenefits[/del streets of the UK?
Why anyone would want to stay in France longer than is necessary is beyond me
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Quote ="ROBINSON"Doesn't make any difference. It's only the French, and we'll be out of Europe anyway soon
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Where are we going, Australia?'"
No. AFAIR, the UK is drifting generally NW, towards Scandinavia. But as Scandinavia is heading the same way, we won't crash. Which, if you've ever hit a Volvo, is probably as well.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Don't the immigrants just pass through France rather than 'steal' jobs, set up camp in Calais and then board the trucks, boats and trains for the gold paved [delbenefits[/del streets of the UK?'"
Quote ="Horatio Yed"Why anyone would want to stay in France longer than is necessary is beyond me
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Keeping believing that: keeps the riff raff numbers down when I'm on holiday.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No. AFAIR, the UK is drifting generally NW, towards Scandinavia. But as Scandinavia is heading the same way, we won't crash. Which, if you've ever hit a Volvo, is probably as well.'"
Is Iceland safe?
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| Quote ="tigertot"Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No. AFAIR, the UK is drifting generally NW, towards Scandinavia. But as Scandinavia is heading the same way, we won't crash. Which, if you've ever hit a Volvo, is probably as well.'"
Is Iceland safe?'"
preferred Bejams personally....
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Quote ="sanjunien"to kerb immigration from the east which is affecting the job seekers in France'"
Quote ="sanjunien" if people want to work then great '"
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You are. You are also entitled to contradict yourself as much as you want.'"
why thank you sir
if anyone comes to france and finds gainful employment then fair enough though the average french employer will consider a french candidate before anyone else - what annoys people like me is the person or family who just turns up on the doorstep of the Secu (Social Services) and demands to be housed fed & watered because they are a member of a EU state and that includes loads of uk citizens
if that's a contradiction,then so be it mon ami.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Quote ="sanjunien"
Quote So how many of these Eastern European immigrants are coming to France to sponge off taxpayers?'"
probably as many as you have in the UK in Germany
Quote I thought they were coming to work but according to you that's OK.'" '" '"
no problem with the ones who come to work though work is scarce,at least they are net contributors to the system rather than parasites who come just to escape the terible conditions in their homelands
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