The economic damage caused by Brexit, never mind the damage caused to The Union, is costing our economy £billions. Is this really a price worth paying for "taking back control" https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds

The economic damage caused by Brexit, never mind the damage caused to The Union, is costing our economy £billions. Is this really a price worth paying for "taking back control" https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds

Quote ="wrencat1873"The economic damage caused by Brexit, never mind the damage caused to The Union, is costing our economy £billions. Is this really a price worth paying for "taking back control" https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds'" Looks like "project fear" had some legitimate concerns.

Quote ="wrencat1873"The economic damage caused by Brexit, never mind the damage caused to The Union, is costing our economy £billions. Is this really a price worth paying for "taking back control" https://www.itv.com/news/2022-06-09/bre ... arch-finds'" Looks like "project fear" had some legitimate concerns.

Hmmm... So an organisation that is unashamedly pro EU says we would be better off in said EU. Well I never...

Meanwhile, Rees- Mogg is stepping up production of Penny Farthing bikes and thick blankets to cope with our "prosperity"

If that report is only half right, "we've" made a pretty hefty error and if it is accurate, maybe we should send the people behind Brexit to Rwanda



Seriously though, just take a look at the trade stats, "not great" would be a huge understatement

Who would you need to be told by to believe the figures?

Which figures are you talking about? The factual ones or the hypothetical guesswork ones?

There are a bit of both in the article. The CER figures, and a real world example. Ian Perkes, seafood wholesaler, despite being told by Johnson that his "business would boom", is actually spending £300 a day on customs declarations, export health certificates and VAT declarations.

Please tell us in what ways we are better off and I don’t count having blue passports printed in France, a crown added to a glass or imperial measurements all of which we were able to do anyway whilst in the EU. I would add that given JRM a job is definitely not a plus.

Google benefits of Brexit and find out yourself

I did and you don’t think that the government website might be slightly biased.

There's plenty more apart from the government site as you well know. But you crack on with your one sided agenda if it keeps you warm at night.

You will just have to accept you fell for the lies of de Pffell and his bus.

The Centre for European Reform may or may not be bias however I seem to recall our own Office for Budget Responsibility and Office for National Statistics who are not reporting similar findings/patterns of a reduction in GDP, double the impact of COVID.

IMO it is time for sensible, honest discussions on this and what the actual plan is to mitigate the loss of trade.

Do you live anywhere near mild rover?, he lives in Lycestershire as well.

Tbf, it's was Farage who had his hand up Boris's back, pulling the strings.
Our PM, like the rest of his family, were actually pro European until he got a sniff of the no 10 furniture polish and then his mind suddenly changed.

Anyone who thinks we are better off as a country after Brexit is seriously deluded.
Unfortunately Covid will just be the fall guy and those that voted leave will NEVER admit they made a mistake.
The manufacturing company I had worked for closed one of its sites with the loss of all jobs that had been working for over 80 years due to Brexit as the excess costs in paperwork of exporting its goods to a predominantly European market made it impossible to remain competitive in a commodity market against European competition.
Plus the debacle that is/was the UKREACH regulations and the costs of implementation of a new system which is basically the old system but now needs companies to pay again to reregister all the same substances under the UK system already registered in the EU system just makes it not worth it. I’m sure there are many such examples-
but it’s ok because those skilled workers can now get jobs on zero hours contracts picking fruit…..

Will you or the other people who voted for this disaster ever take responsibility for your actions?

What would you expect them to do exactly?

Maybe an admission that they were "sold a pup" would be a start and then some sensible conversation about how the hell to get a better solution.
As things stand, Scotland are being pushed further away - although, in fairness, they are happy to be moved further away. N. Ireland, has been sacrificed on the alter of Brexit and as a result, Sinn Fein have strengthened there political position in The North, which is quite staggering, given where Sinn Fein came from AND at a time of crisis, we are further down the pecking order than we really ought to be.
The government is in paralysis due to having to try and keep their Johnson as their leader, when he is "soiled goods".

It's too soon to have a conversation with the EU about re joining their Trade Bloc but, politics aside, it would be the sensible thing to do.

As your other "friend" suggests, much of the decline in the UK will be blamed on the pandemic but, as the UK "flat lines" and the EU regain a position of decent growth, we should start to think about serious solutions, instead of propping up a failed leader.

Just because some peoples opinions differ from yours doesn't make them wrong, in this instance I'll humour you by asking you that if these people admit they were sold a pup and I believe there are plenty of them, how would that help, maybe they think that if you started to engage in sensible conversation that might help who knows eh!

We aren't going to get anywhere towards fixing this calamity as long as a large chunk of the country continues to live a lie or keeps changing their arguments as to why Brexit isn't a problem or isn't their fault (we never said it wouldn't have an economic impact/the Europeans are being beastly to us/ it's a Remainer Brexit etc etc).

The one certainty is that, while ever the lying *** in No 10 and his ministers keep blaming all of the issues on the EU, there will be little progress.
Boris Johnson signed his "oven ready" deal 2 years ago and it wasn't and isn't fit for purpose.

It suits the Tories to be able to blame someone else,(the EU in this instance), rather than admit that they made a total balls of things.

Many of those in N. Ireland believe that the protocol is actually working and ironically, it's the DUP who do not. Quite ironic that it was they, under the Teresa May administration, who held the balance of power in Westminster and it was they who, once in power, Boris Johnson threw under the bus but, he's is now having to back track at speed.

The whole Irish issue should have been worked out prior to the referendum but, Cameron was so confident that we would remain in the EU that he didn't give the matter any serious thought and then Johnson just hoped/pretended that everything would be ok.

Not great would be a massive understatement.

Meanwhile the UK is on the brink of recession and our former friends in the EU are projected to see a "bounce" in their ecconomy next year. Happy days.

It certainly is for NI, whose growth thanks to being part of the single market is much stronger than the rest of the UK's.

We all knew from the very start there were three options - none of which Quitter types wanted: hard border in the Irish Sea with NI in the single market (which is where we are), hard border within Ireland (impossible) or UK in its entirety remains in the single market.

They won, they negotiated the deal, they got what they wanted. But they continue to whinge and whine like the big babies they are because prolonging the Brexit wars is advantageous to them politically. That's all, they're not interested in doing what's best for the country or best for the economy. It's all about what serves them best. And lots of the people who voted leave still believe in their BS despite all the evidence to the contrary. And until that is fixed we won't have a serious discussion about how to fix up the mess which has been created.

Instead "we" change the rules unilaterally and then wait to see what action the EU take. It could all get rather interesting.
Looking at the projected growth for next year, it would appear that The EU have the boss hand (again).

Never mind though as we are putting the "crown" mark back onto pint pots.

The ECHR is not controlled by the EU before anyone comes on here to blame them for the problem with the flight. We are now proposing to leave it despite being a founding member, the last country to do so was Russia.