Quote ="Andy Gilder"You might see it as a "red herring", but the current recourse for HMRC if it believes tax is being avoided is via the tax tribunal system and ultimately the courts.
Their consideration is very much a case of "is it legal", rather than is it morally or ethically correct. As courts, that's all they can do.'"
Please don't twist what I said, I obviously was referring to my view of what the position "SHOULD" be, which is why I used the word "should".
I even said it twice. I closed my remarks with:
"The resoundingly clear answer should be "NO, because although perfectly legal, it's for no reason other than to dodge tax, and so we're not having it".
Quote ="Andy Gilder"The proposed "General Anti-Abuse Rule" which is going through consultation at the moment seeks to address this by looking through any transaction that HMRC considers does not match both the letter and the intent of the legislation.
How well it operates in practice is still to be seen, and quite how it will apply to existing arrangements like transfer pricing (what Starbucks does) should create lots of money for lawyers and accountants running test cases.'"
Not really. While the costs in a test case might look a lot, compared with your shopping bill at Asda, they are peanuts compared with the tax take (or non-take) that any precedent would set. And i don't know why you included accountants in that - surely they are the ones already making millions out of setting up these scams and have been for many years?
Quote ="Andy Gilder"And I'll say again - if your business does not have a "permanent establishment" in the UK, the fact you sell products or services to UK customers is not enough on its own to render you liable to UK Corporation Tax on your profits. '"
Interesting but not on the point, I thought we were discussing Starbucks et al, who certainly do have such a permanent establishment, and are liable to UK corporation tax. But don't actually pay any.
Quote ="Andy Gilder"If the UK wants to tax these companies on the profits they make selling to UK customers, they should be prepared to lose out when UK companies make profits selling to customers in other countries and their governments want a share of the pot.'"
You're again completely avoiding the point. Which is that it is hardly a case of any government "wanting a share of the pot" for its own sake, but of a company which is established in Britain making big profits in Britain but by means of accounting dodges paying no tax on those profits in Britain.
If you can give me an example of where the converse might apply, I'll be happy to think about it.
