So, another one enters the race to be president, and this time it's Sarkozy's old mucker Dominique de Villepin: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16133598 DdV has no chance of winning, but I suspect that a combination of him, Sarkozy's low popularity, a strong showing by the Front National, another tilt by Bayrou, and a poor showing for the Communists/PdG and Trots (who have suffered a split, which has gone to the PCF/PdG grouping) means that Francois Hollande is nailed on for one run-off place, and Marine Le Pen might edge out Sarko for the other. Meaning a Hollande win.

So, another one enters the race to be president, and this time it's Sarkozy's old mucker Dominique de Villepin: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16133598 DdV has no chance of winning, but I suspect that a combination of him, Sarkozy's low popularity, a strong showing by the Front National, another tilt by Bayrou, and a poor showing for the Communists/PdG and Trots (who have suffered a split, which has gone to the PCF/PdG grouping) means that Francois Hollande is nailed on for one run-off place, and Marine Le Pen might edge out Sarko for the other. Meaning a Hollande win.

Correct that is what I said, people from many nationalities

It wasn't clear from what you said whether you were including the French or not. I was just clarifying.

Quote Rock God X="Rock God X" Quote Rock God X="sanjunien" [uFlaunting the rules? What on Earth are you talking about? [/u sorry,I meant flouting,excuse me. [uWorkers from every country in the EU (barring Bulgaria and Romania) may work in France without restriction. So what rules are those 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 employers 'flaunting' (I think you mean flouting, by the way)? It's hardly 'black labour' (I think you mean 'black market labour') if they are legally entitled to work there, is it? [/u they may work 'legally' without restriction yes,of course,paying their french taxes and contributing to the french economy.I would prefer that immigration legal and of course illegal be severly restricted hence my support of Marine le Pen [uSo what you're saying is that most French employers favour French applicants and between 5% and 10% (anything to back up these figures?) employ [isome[/i legal workers from other EU countries. If you're ok with people coming there to work, this shouldn't bother you one bit.[/u i'm not 'ok' with foreigners coming to France but have to respect the laws in force at the time.What I am against,just as you should be in the UK is the passage of illegal workers and spongers who have no intention of working who are taking advantage of the system me and you are subsidising. an interesting article (badly translated from the spanish or portugese) eddycabreralawservices.com/web/e ... s-ilegales

Quote Rock God X="Rock God X" Quote Rock God X="sanjunien" [uFlaunting the rules? What on Earth are you talking about? [/u sorry,I meant flouting,excuse me. [uWorkers from every country in the EU (barring Bulgaria and Romania) may work in France without restriction. So what rules are those 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 employers 'flaunting' (I think you mean flouting, by the way)? It's hardly 'black labour' (I think you mean 'black market labour') if they are legally entitled to work there, is it? [/u they may work 'legally' without restriction yes,of course,paying their french taxes and contributing to the french economy.I would prefer that immigration legal and of course illegal be severly restricted hence my support of Marine le Pen [uSo what you're saying is that most French employers favour French applicants and between 5% and 10% (anything to back up these figures?) employ [isome[/i legal workers from other EU countries. If you're ok with people coming there to work, this shouldn't bother you one bit.[/u i'm not 'ok' with foreigners coming to France but have to respect the laws in force at the time.What I am against,just as you should be in the UK is the passage of illegal workers and spongers who have no intention of working who are taking advantage of the system me and you are subsidising. an interesting article (badly translated from the spanish or portugese) eddycabreralawservices.com/web/e ... s-ilegales

[uThat sort of thing goes on in every country, I'm sure, but it's not just immigrants who are responsible.[/u


yes,we know it happens in every country but we are talking about France which is a special case maybe along with Spain who have suffered from cowboy workers for decades from the UK as well as local cowboys of course.
peggy is spot on when she/he said about many unhappy customers who have been conned by these people.As I said in an earlier posting many of these cowboys get found out or denounced by the french tradesmen who pay a lot in Social Charges (NI etc) to be legal - most of the cowboys don't last long but others move around the country until they have nowhere else to go but usually end up getting their just desserts.Many of the people working illegally aren't always bad tradesmen but they still get caught out and still creates a big headache for the victims/customers when something goes wrong usually when the planning laws have been ignored resulting in hefty bills afterwards to repair the mistakes made.