www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... mpage.html Shocking, and probably resets any of the good feeling some have worked hard to achieve. Does this make our soldiers even more of a target than they already were?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... mpage.html Shocking, and probably resets any of the good feeling some have worked hard to achieve. Does this make our soldiers even more of a target than they already were?

What work that's been done? Installing a government that still regards women as utterly dispensable when faced by fundamentalist imbeciles who want to treat them like dirt because of their stupid interpretation of their stupid book?

But yes, more innocent victims of an insane, batsh*t stupid, decade-plus of a totally f**ked up war.

And if this soldier really did go on a shooting rampage because he'd had some sort of breakdown, then he's another of the victims.

And in related news, [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17333275more reasons to be happy we liberated Iraq[/url.

I'm not saying i agree with invading countries based on jumped up motives, but to say that the cannon fodder that go over don't go over with honourable intentions is a bit dismissive, i have friends over there and they try their best even if they don't want to be there.

This possibility seems to be being ignored by just about everyone. They're all so quick to be seen to condemn the person responsible, they don't seem to have asked [iwhy[/i a soldier might suddenly start shooting civilians without provocation.

From what I've read and heard, this possibility is being investigated quite seriously.

That may well be the case now. I haven't read anything on it for a day or so. Initially though, there was a clamour (from the President down) to assure everyone that the perpetrator would be 'brought to justice', without even a mention of how something like this might have occurred.

During the Vietnam war there were several reports of "rogue" soldiers running amok culminating in the infamous My Lai massacre uncovered by Seymour Hersh. My Lai caused unprecedented outcry in the US and expedited America's withdrawal from the country. But what most people didn't know was that incidents such as My Lai were far from uncommon. Indeed, they were [ivery regular[/i events. And the press - as it does today - [usaid nothing[/u. There's a horrifying documentary called "First Kill" in which US soldiers talk openly about murdering thousands of innocent Vietnamese in cold blood, cutting off ears, rape etc.

Right now that toadying snot Jeremy Vine is doing his best (in true BBC tradition) to offer the most ridiculous excuses whilst trumpeting the virtues of British soldiers over American forces, who are assumed to be "out of control". I refuse to believe this propaganda guff. Soldiers operating under intense stress - regardless of flag - and armed to the teeth with an array of lethal weaponry are going to kill civilians - by accident or in cold blood. [uIt is inevitable. [/u

Seriously, if Jeremy Vine showed the same level of bigotry to almost any other minority group as he's currently levelling at US soldiers he'd be bounced off the air. I swear the man is a paid propaganda stooge for the government.

I can't listen to his show any more. It's like reading the comments section on the Daily Mail website.

No and no. I have every faith in the Afghan people. They will see this as an act of a lone person and not of the US or coalition forces.

I hope you're right, but can't see it tbh.

I don't want to be disrespectful to those people at all, but their best intentions don't count for squat. How they are perceived in that country, and the concrete results of their presence and actions are what count.

When some positive ones turn up I'd like to hear about them.